801. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 2 years ago. Posts. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. I’m goin wit Batman. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. No. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. 8 years ago. By no means is he actually more powerful than the Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, etc. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. MJJ is top 5 in Marvel for reality warping, but he has very limited actual feats, but its. I haven't been keeping up, but that sounds interesting. Wiki Points. However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . 12 years ago. Ehh closest would be PR Beyonder I guess The closest would be geb i think him and the presence when combined are absolute infinite everything. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. Michael doesn't really have a lot in the way of feats, other than statements by other characters and some. she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking…Marvel has only hype, pr beyonder is the only char to be so hyped he is seen as the strongest. Team 1 wins. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. There are like at least dozens DC. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. @traskindustries: He reminds me of Beyonder because of his pictures, not because. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). Yet, is not responsible for creation. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. 14 from eithe side. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. How does Protege beat PR Beyonder? Protege vs Beyonder. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. This is hard to tell. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. So yeah, this is the same Beyonder that had PR Molecule Man crying on Vulcana's lap and decimated the entire multiverse just by getting angry. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. @laflux said: MOM. Forum Posts. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. ago. PR Beyonder. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Reply reply more replies. Round 3: Both team up to take on Galactus and Eternity. Forum Posts. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. Business, Economics, and Finance. LT-beating omnipotent. COIE fully powered anti monitor was the entire DC multiverse, his reality warping and. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. 2 years ago. Forum Posts. This is the original seven and the battle takes place onWhat characters in the Marvel Universe could defeat Michael Demiurgos?Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. Location. Battle has been done so many damn times. The one below all (TOBA). Random encounter. 13 years ago. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract Ent PR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. The Living Tribunal's domain is the multiverse he's from, the Beyonder is the entire surrounding Beyond personified. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. They are not the same character. PR Beyonder and it’s not a fight. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. Following Secret. PR Beyonder is just as much close to some of TOAA's powers as HOTU Thanos is. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. R5: Dr. And to OP I say Korvac wins this. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. 9 years ago. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Lord Urizen. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. No chance of being omnipotent. Nothing more needs to be said. 1 Winner: The Beyonder. Fulcrum. 1958325779 • 2 yr. Forum Posts. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Bait? 1 year ago. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. This is Marvel Vs Dc to see who has had the biggest Villain threats of all time. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. #9 Edited By Supreme Marvel. Omnipotence and omniscience. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. #12 Edited By Montaq. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. Nihilist. He. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. Warlockmage. And of course the LT himself. ago. Wiki Points. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. vs Arioch vs Dormammu Rules: Round 1:Winner by death, surrender, capture, Random encounter. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. vs. Follow 3313. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. And by feats Beyonder would totally curbstomp Glory. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. let's wait and see his actual feats. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. unicron didnt live threw the big bang he slept threw the omniversarall big bang beyonder took over the multiver/omniverse,unicron ate it/absubed it. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". He couldn't erase Death. he would get tricked out of his powers without having a sure fire way of getting them back like he did with Dr. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Standard equipment. 2. 0. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. So, yeah, no worries there. He looks cooler, and has a cooler name. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Merely has ultimate molecular control. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. User Lists: 0As for the actual two strongest in each verse, I'd maybe say PR-Beyonder vs Lucifer Morningstar/The Gentry/ The Empty Hand. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. 0. Manhattan's league. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. Kami Tenchi by many (not me though) is considered a Multiversal God. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. Follow 25782. Follow 334. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Adm1ralSnackbar. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. " 13 years ago Pr_BeyonderRandom encounter. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. Eru Iluvatar (in a contest of who made a cooler world) Lucifer, Thanos, Dr. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. Forum Posts. With just the Beyonders it would be a good battle and "might" even favor the DC trio for the win. Forums. And even then some endless beat pr beyonder. Start off twenty feet away. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. 9 years ago. 313. I know that Krona vs LT already exists but i havn't seen one where krona has all the items and i think it would be interresting to see them battleTakPR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Wiki Points. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. Follow 16064. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. . Minor nitpick. So who wins this epic clash to end all clashes? Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet. Forum Posts. Gokuisthebest. You can't claim the same about Asura's. Even The. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. Followers. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. The art work and what not is horrible. This is a toss up. PR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. New Comics. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. 1. @Pr_Beyonder: immortal means unable to die of age or sickness Thor isn't coughing on him or waiting around for him to age to death he's smashng his head into chuncks of mushy brain 13 years ago. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . His will is law. Wiki Points. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. 6 years ago deactivated. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. PR Beyonder would blink Superman 1 million (whether gold or Kal kent) into non-existence. Even 16D beings like LT, Eternity are nowhere as powerful as PR Beyonder, so Beyonder still wins, deal with it. @lariend said: Missmatch any from team 2 can solo. PR Molecule Man. ". She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. They have been - however, the influence of the Phoenix now extends to the realm of the Beyonders, which is the same realm where the Beyonder from the 80s is from. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Thanos with the Regulator both duo together to obliterate all of the other nigh-omnipotent beings in this thread. Followers. Just no. PR Beyonder was implied to be another TOAA from a different multi/macroverse. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. they have quite the lineup. Ite. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. LocatiNew Comics. The Demon of Elru. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. 0. Post-Retcon Beyonder on the other hand is only a Cube Being, so is much weaker. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. Forum Posts. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Forum Posts. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. He is another universe, pre-big bang. Beyonder wins this, Lucifer along with his brother Michael are equal to LT, and PR Beyonder is better than LT any day of the week. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. One Above All (Stan Lee) Fulcrum (Jack Kirby) Living Tribunal. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. But if you will include that "symbol of heroism/needed for the story" crap, then remove the beyonder. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. Mxy still bitches every Darkseid save for Infinite Frontier since we don’t know yet. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Win by death, KO, incap. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Forums. PRB has a lot of. PR beyonder. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Since his feats and stuff have. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Jul 30, 2018. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. 0. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Follow 3074. anyways Q isn't omnipotent either and he doesn't have any feats that rival PR Beyonder so PR Beyonder. Michael and Lucy. PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. deactivated-5e0e83bb0dbb5. ReplyFor this fight: PR MM was written to be above any entity from Marvel Ominverse, except PR Beyonder of course. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. 0. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. Follow 2797. 13 years ago. Wiki Points. Adm1ralSnackbar. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. 4 years ago. @majestic99. The art work and what not is horrible. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Phoenix is on par with those guys. This topic is locked from further discussion. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. doomsday49. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Elaine Belloc; HOTU ThanosCant find this either O_O; Im sure this was done though. 5. One on one, most people would say that PR. Maybe some people will think or debate that PR Beyonder or Oblivion wins against the All-Mighty. agreed the PR beyonder was kind of like a super amped version of the loeb force 13 years ago. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. Apr 2014. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha.